Posts by bats in the belfry

Seeing our ... [past] ... beliefs exposed as untrue can be disillusioning, especially if we were taught by trusted religious leaders. Some might liken the experience to finding out that trusted parents were, in fact, secret criminals.

But is not finding out religious truth better than living under a delusion? Is it not better to know the facts than to be manipulated by lies?

When it comes to physical realities, such as medicine, mathematics, or the laws of physics, even the staunchest relativist will believe that some things are true. Who of us would dare to ride in an airplane if we did not think that the laws of aerodynamics were absolute truths? Verifiable truths do exist; they surround us, and we stake our lives on them. ( All of above texts quoted from: 1995 The Watchtower, July 1, par. 5,7 & 8 )

Don't stake your lives on metaspiritual truths!

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New Watchtower video on "real friends"

by cedars in

jw
friends

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5schopnecog.

it's difficult to imagine how this video could be more disingenuous and hypocritical.

cedars.

bats in the belfry

What's their unique selling point?

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People who make the truth EXCITING!

by slimboyfat in

jw
friends

i have been fading for years now and attend meetings very rarely these days.

but something happened recently to make me think about going regularly again.

a couple have returned to my congregation who used to be special pioneers here twenty years ago.

bats in the belfry

slimboyfat >> . . . out of curiosity,

what ever happened with the couple that returned to your congregation, who used to be special pioneers there twenty five years ago?

Is their spirit for "the truth" still fervent? Or did it (they) expire?

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How can we be sure the Bible has not been changed?

by Doug Mason in

at page 63 of its book, reasoning from the scriptures, the watchtower society poses the question: how can we be sure the bible has not been changed?.

the reasoning book opens its response with a citation from a book written in 1929: the bible from the beginning by p. marion simms.. i have prepared a study that examines whether the reasoning from the scriptures book accurately presents the position presented by simms in his book.. http://www.jwstudies.com/we_can_be_sure.pdf.

does simm's book really say that we can be sure the bible has not been changed?.

bats in the belfry

Isn't the “Reasoning from the Scriptures” book dated, anyway?

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Warwick Blue Print!/Rutherford brochures!

by Atlantis in

when you download this file you will need to wait for about 30 seconds for all the images to come into focus.

the images should come into view in the pdf right in front of you.

if you don't wait the file could become jammed and you would need to start all over again.

bats in the belfry

Highlights from the zone overseer visit of brother Gerrit Losch to Norway

After Armageddon there Will be no more Norway, Sweden, USA. We will have an administration center in the new world. Ezekiel 48:35. We are building now a place in Warwick (we don’t like the name, we hope rename it Peacewick)there will be a place for about 1000 Bethelites. If this is the new Adm. Center we don’t know. We do know there will be a Administrative Center in the new world.

Perhaps they should rename it to “Shammah”.

Ezekiel 48:35, footnote — What does the city in Ezekiel’s vision represent? “Jehovah-Shammah” is situated in “profane” land, indicating that it must represent something earthly. The city seems to represent the earthly administration that benefits those who will make up the righteous “new earth.” (2 Peter 3:13) Having gates on each side illustrates its openness. The overseers among God’s people are to be approachable.

w07 8/1 p. 11 par. 3

So it goes from "seems to represent" to "there will be" an administration center? How aloof must these Eight be to declare such a vague text represents their new building in Warwick? (Reminds me of the . . . from Scranton to Hoboken Terminal . . . story)

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This WT book allows one raised as a JW to do a critical review of the religion and elders can't go against it.

by EndofMysteries in

i love this gem, it was taken off the jw.org website, it seems only material after 1990 is up now, but it's here, http://www.scribd.com/doc/5472988/the-time-for-true-submission-to-god .

page 6, "the need to search for the truth".

says this....and i couldn't agree with it more!

bats in the belfry

Some like to see the original - here it is:

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Our Kingdom Ministry November 2013 preview

by WatchTower87 in

1- take as a pattern the prophets - oshea.

2- question box - should a female publisher wear a head covering if she is accompanied by a male publisher at doorstep bible study?.

3 - i am here because.... 4- a helpful series for our ministry .

bats in the belfry

Lucky you - I never progressed that much !

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Our Kingdom Ministry November 2013 preview

by WatchTower87 in

1- take as a pattern the prophets - oshea.

2- question box - should a female publisher wear a head covering if she is accompanied by a male publisher at doorstep bible study?.

3 - i am here because.... 4- a helpful series for our ministry .

bats in the belfry

I haven't seen the online version of the November 2013 kingdom ministry yet. Please direct me to it.

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Can the Demons infect a computer?

by Comatose in

no self respecting jw would doubt the demons ability to attach themselves to physical objects.

for example if a jw put a poster on their wall of a pentagram or some other "satanic symbol" that's a "doorway" for the demunz.

it's inviting them into your home.

bats in the belfry

The experience sounds typical of an N ♦ S ♦ A spy program taking control.